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Wednesday, February 17, 2010
FM Liberman on Radio REKA: [Population exchange] All Palestinian incitement must be stopped before we resume any negotiations .

FM Liberman is labeled "Right wing".

Why?

Because he doesn't smile when he says that ultimately Israel should
withdraw - withdraw not just from most of the West Bank but even from parts
of Israel inside the Green Line.

Is it "right wing" to propose that the security solution for the West Bank
is for Jordanian security forces to be deployed next to Kfar Sava, Netanya
and in Wadi Ara while Egyptian forces are next to Ashkelon?

"Also overall security responsibility should be placed in the end on Egypt
(AL: in the Gaza Strip)
"Jordan ...in such an arrangement should give support...including the
issuing of passports and taking of overall and comprehensive security
responsibility for what transpires in Judea and Samaria"

"Thus for practical purposes this arrangement will be, almost certainly, a
kind of two confederations - in one case with the Jordanians, and in the
other case with Egypt."

Avigdor Lieberman - My Truth (2004) - pages 202-203

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"Our program is crystal clear. This is exchange of land and population".

Interview by FM Liberman on Radio REKA 15 February 2010
All Palestinian incitement must be stopped before we resume any
negotiations.
[Translated from Russian - Ministry of Foreign Affairs]

Host: Special emphasize is being placed on what you said at the meeting of
the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee regarding the funds
transferred by Israel to Palestinian Authority accounts, which are used to
finance various suits against Israeli politicians and IDF officers.

FM Liberman: There's more to this. The head of the Palestinian Authority,
Prime Minister Salam Fayad, has established a special fund to boycott
Israeli products in the world markets and in the West Bank. First, this
relates to those produced by settlers, e.g., in Ariel, Ma'ale Adumim or
Givat Zeev. Second, the Palestinians are intensely promoting an academic
boycott of Israel in all universities around the world. Third, the
Palestinian Authority, and Salam Fayad personally, are behind many lawsuits
against our high ranking officials, IDF officers, and security people, filed
with various international entities, like the Hague tribunal or courts in
England and Spain, which are bound by international law.

That's where the Palestinian Authority stands, not to mention resolutions
brought to the attention of the Human Rights Council in Geneva, or UN
resolutions filed on behalf of the Palestinians through the Arab League or
Arab countries. This is totally unacceptable. We have to put it clearly -
all incitement must be stopped before we resume any negotiations.

Host: Is this what you propose?

FM Liberman: This is just a part of my proposals. The second - there was an
extended three hour meeting of the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense
Committee on a wide range of issues. And there has been a lot of talk about
final settlement. Such an attitude seems cynical to me. For 16 long years
after the Oslo accords were signed and until Netanyahu returned as Prime
Minister, nobody has reached any final settlement despite all those
far-reaching concessions offered by Barak and Olmert. They both offered the
boundaries of 1967 and a divided Jerusalem. Moreover, they were ready to
negotiate refugees. We all remember our unilateral withdrawal from the Gaza
Strip and where that has taken us.

Host: By the way, yesterday former Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said that he
was ready to divide Jerusalem according to its population.

FM Liberman: He was ready to withdraw to the 1967 boundaries. And that's why
this is unacceptable. It has to be crystal clear - concession of land will
never settle our conflict. To the contrary, this may only result in more
demands. Those who believe that our conflict with the Palestinians can be
settled by territorial compromise could have achieved it within the last 16
years, but unfortunately they haven't.

Host: So what do you propose?

FM Liberman: Our program is crystal clear. This is exchange of land and
population. We need to understand that a dialogue has to be maintained.
Hoping for a rapid settlement of this conflict means misleading public
opinion and fooling ourselves. Territorial disputes do not mean an armed
conflict. There are lots of territorial disputes between various countries
worldwide. Russia and Japan are still discussing the status of the Kurile
Islands. However, this does not prevent them from maintaining contacts,
cooperation, and normal dialogue. This is also true for England and
Argentina. There's still an open issue over the Falkland Islands, with each
party claiming its sovereignty there. This is all settled at the
international level, while the countries maintain a normal relationship.

Host: We are not speaking about states here. Your examples relate to two
countries, while we are talking about an establishment which has no state
status.

FM Liberman: Two parties can always have a normal relationship. With regard
to our relations with the Palestinians, we find ourselves here in a stormy
sea, trying to create an outpost of stability in the middle of endless
tsunamis, commotions, and earthquakes. Just look at the entire region, it's
ablaze. I'm talking about Yemen, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan. Nearly all of
the Middle East - from Somalia to Afghanistan - is in turmoil. We are not
alone in this world. Unfortunately, I have to emphasize that while this
conflict was born as a conflict between nations and states, today it's all
about religion. I mean a complicated conflict between Sunnis and Shiites in
Iraq. This is also true for Yemen - we all know that the main source of
instability is either Al Qaeda or the Taliban or the Muslim Brotherhood.
Therefore the main problem of Abu Mazen in the Palestinian Authority is
Hamas and the Islamic Jihad, not Israel. So today we cannot say that this
most complicated conflict, with us in the heart of it, can be settled by
territorial compromise... I believe this is naive and unrealistic.

Host: So, speaking about this stormy sea, I think we have to focus on
developing programs such as fortification of buildings to withstand
earthquakes.

FM Liberman: Absolutely. We need to strengthen security while maintaining
our dialogue. And only afterwards conditions for signing a peace agreement
and final settlement can be created. Any attempt to impose peace, hoping
that security and economic prosperity will follow, is wrong. First we have
to ensure security and economic prosperity, and peace comes afterwards.

Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs Avigdor Liberman on
Israel television Channel 9:

FM Liberman: The current Middle East conflict is not national; it is first
and foremost a religious conflict, and it is impossible to solve a religious
conflict through territorial concessions. I will formulate it more clearly:
territorial concessions cannot bring us to a final solution. They could
serve as one of the components of the solution, but are not enough to settle
the conflict completely.

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