[Dr. Aaron Lerner - IMRA:
The Hebrew version of the report is considerably longer
www.haaretz.co.il/hasite/spages/1187465.html
It includes:
Shavit: What are the strict security arrangements?
Barak: I won't go into the details, but it is necessary to address to three
matters: First, there is no return to the situation that has been created in
Lebanon and the Gaza Strip, where we evacuated territory and it turned into
a store of rockets and missiles. This can't happen - there will be no
rockets and missiles. Secondly, there is no wave of terror like the wave of
terror that visited us in 2001-2003. Third, a response to the possible
geo-strategic changes in the East. The Middle East is an area of
uncertainty and the eastern front may wake up again. We can't meet it in
Rosh Haayin or Kochav Yair, therefore we need a long term presence in the
Jordan Valley, technological arrangements and the fortification of the
settlement blocs.
A peace agreement will expose Israel to future dangers. therefore it must
include understandings with the Americans regarding the strengthening of the
ability of Israel to attack, improvement of its pinpoint targeting
ammunition, construction of a multi-layer intercept system, giving breathing
space and providing technological arrangements, early warning and border
monitoring. If such a package is developed, it is possible that it will
enable us a certain flexibility. In any case, the required security plan
should not be a pretext for preventing peace.
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Barak to Haaretz: Israel ready to cede parts of Jerusalem in peace deal
Ahead of start of direct peace talks in Washington, Defense Minister Ehud
Barak says Jerusalem's Arab neighborhoods will be part of a Palestinian
state; a 'special regime' to govern holy sites.
By Ari Shavit Haaretz Published 00:53 01.09.10
www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/barak-to-haaretz-israel-ready-to-cede-parts-of-jerusalem-in-peace-deal-1.311356
Ehud Barak has always vacillated between peace and security, dovishness and
hawkishness, left wing and right wing. Even when he left south Lebanon,
offered the Golan Heights to Hafez Assad and the Temple Mount to Yasser
Arafat, he didn't do this as a bleeding heart. He always spoke forcefully,
talked about the importance of sobriety. He always spoke about how Israel
must survive in a jungle. It must do so even now, on the eve of the peace
summit in Washington.
This time, however, Barak is surprisingly - even unusually - optimistic.
Perhaps it is because he contributed quite a bit to the summit's unveiling.
Maybe it is due to the fact that the summit is his political lifejacket. The
defense minister believes in the 2010 peace summit even more than the
principals taking part in it.
These past few weeks have been volatile, between the Galant document affair,
the appointment of a new chief of staff, the meeting with Jordan's King
Abdullah and the sit-down with Mahmoud Abbas. And perhaps more than anything
else, Barak was feverishly preoccupied with trying to push Netanyahu across
the Rubicon, trying to convince him that there is no choice, trying to
convert Benjamin Netanyahu from Yitzhak Shamir to Menachem Begin. Did he
succeed?
Up until the last minute, the man who has signed up to also take on the role
of foreign minister doesn't know whether he succeeded or not. Perhaps this
is why he has chosen to make unequivocal, remarkable statements to Haaretz.
Yet the last-minute-meeting that Barak held with Netanyahu prior to the
premier's departure for the United States fueled his optimism. When Barak
said what he said from his office at the Defense Ministry headquarters in
Tel Aviv, his sense was that there is a good chance that Netanyahu will
surprise us.
Ehud Barak, is there any chance that you and Benjamin Netanyahu will succeed
in reaching peace with the Palestinians now, the same peace which you did
not succeed in achieving in 2000 and Ehud Olmert did not succeed in
achieving in 2008?
"In the current reality that is encircling us, there are remarkable changes
underway. Thirty years ago, the Arabs competed amongst themselves in
spouting rejectionist slogans that were reminiscent of [the three "nos" at]
Khartoum. Today the Arab states are competing amongst themselves in arguing
over which peace initiative will be adopted by the international community.
The same situation is taking place with us. When I returned from Camp David
a decade ago, the most vocal critics of my "irresponsible" concessions were
Ehud Olmert and Tzipi Livni. Take a look at where they are today. It doesn't
mean that the task is a simple one. The gaps are wide and they are of a
fundamental nature. But I believe that there is a real chance today. If
Netanyahu leads a process, a significant number of rightist ministers will
stand with him. So what is needed is courage to make historic, painful
decisions. I'm not saying that there is a certainty for success, but there
is a chance. This chance must be exploited to the fullest.
What are the principles of a peace deal that you believe can be agreed upon
by the conclusion of the talks?
"Two states for two nations; an end to the conflict and the end of all
future demands; the demarcation of a border that will run inside the Land of
Israel, and within that border will lie a solid Jewish majority for
generations and on the other side will be a demilitarized Palestinian state
but one that will be viable politically, economically, and territorially;
keeping the settlement blocs in our hands; retrieving and relocating the
isolated settlements into the settlement blocs or within Israel; a solution
to the refugee problem [whereby refugees return to] the Palestinian state or
are rehabilitated by international aid; comprehensive security arrangements
and a solution to the Jerusalem problem."
What is the solution in Jerusalem?
"West Jerusalem and 12 Jewish neighborhoods that are home to 200,000
residents will be ours. The Arab neighborhoods in which close to a quarter
million Palestinians live will be theirs. There will be a special regime in
place along with agreed upon arrangements in the Old City, the Mount of
Olives and the City of David."
Does the terror attack near Beit Hagai prove the extent to which the current
efforts for peace are useless?
"This is a very serious incident, the likes of which we haven't seen for a
long time. The Israel Defense Forces and the Shin Bet security service are
acting with all their strength to get their hands on those who perpetrated
the attack. There will be those who will say that this is the result of
weakness and that Netanyahu must return from Washington because they are
killing Jews. Yet in looking at the situation in a level-headed way, there
is no doubt that this is an attempt to harm the start of the peace talks. So
while we are steadfastly safeguarding our security and waging a determined
campaign against the perpetrators, we cannot be deterred from working toward
the success of the peace negotiations."
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